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Physics,,Forums,,-,,The,,Fusion,,of,,Science,,and,,Community,,Forums,,>,,Physics,,>,,Classical,,Physics,,>,,.,,field,,,,i.e.,,,,a,,,density,,,of,,,states,,,in,,,a,,,particular,,,way,,,,which,,,(to,,,use,,,modern,,,terminology,,,again),,,refers,,,to,,,Bose-Einstein,,,statistics.,,,This,,has,,been,,a,,very,,well,,educated,,guess,,from,,a,,long,,and,,deep,,work,,to,,understand,,the,,exchange,,of,,electromagnetic-field,,energy,,with,,matter.,,In,some,sense,at,this,time,this,has,been,an,ad,hoc,assumption,without,a,clear,foundation,from,other,principles,as,is,nowadays,relativistic,quantum,field,theory.,Part,,,4:,,,Cosmic,,,Acoustics,,,Struggles,,,with,,,the,,,Continuum,,,,,,Part,,,7,,,.,,,I,,think,,I,,understand,,the,,derivation,,now,,too.,,Boltzmann,derived,his,classical,statistics,from,thermodynamics,,but,trying,to,understand,Plank's,work,without,QM,is,impossible.,

vanhees71,said:,↑,The,original,work,by,Planck,is,quite,easy,to,understand.,But,,for,,an,,ideal,,gas,,isn't,,this,,statement,,true:,,U/V,,=,,0,,Even,,though,,the,,energy,,density,,definitely,,isn't,,zero?,,Why,,and,,how,,does,,an,,ideal,,gas,,differ,,from,,a,,photon,,gas?,,,,TobyC,,,Apr,,30,,,2011,,Dec,,17,,,2011,,#6,,enfield,,hmm,,I've,,been,,trying,,to,,understand,,this,,myself,,recently.,,Usually,,,(as,,,is,,,in,,,this,,,case),,,it,,,is,,,the,,,other,,,way,,,around.,,,Log,in,with,Facebook,Log,in,with,Twitter,Your,name,or,email,address:,Do,you,already,have,an,account?,No,,create,an,account,now.,You,,can,,apply,,thermodynamics,,to,,the,,problem,,,all,,you'll,,get,,is,,the,,ultraviolet,,catastrophe,,,,Curl,,,Dec,,28,,,2011,,Dec,,29,,,2011,,#17,,TobyC,,Curl,,said:,,↑,,if,,you,,have,,a,,solid,,understanding,,of,,classical,,statistical,,mechanics,,(i.e.,,Suppose,,they,,were,,joined,,by,,a,,very,,short,,pipe.,,Planck,,,got,,,the,,,law,,,right,,,,because,,,beforehand,,,he,,,had,,,excellent,,,data,,,,he,,,could,,,fit,,,with,,,the,,,right,,,function,,,,now,,,called,,,Planck's,,,Law.,,,

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